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Today's Post: About Creating Logic

Today's post, "Making Worlds That Make Sense," can be found at http://www.sfnovelists.com.  SFNovelists is a terrific site maintained by fantasy and science fiction authors from around the world.  Please come by for a visit.  And, as always, enjoy.

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sizztheseed
Dec. 10th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
Now, I don't want to come across as all tinfoil-hat Lovecraftian here, but around the beginning of the last century, some thinkers were coming to the unescapable conclusion that there really are phenomena (and I don't mean quantum theory) that defy logic. Now, it takes a while for things like that to drift into the mainstream parlance, but there are inklings a hundred years later that perhaps people like Gödel, Sartre, and Jung were touching on something fundamental in the universe that defies fitting into the human mind.

For example, following a train of logic in Jung's Synchronicity, how do we know that "the vase broke because I dropped it?" We are ascribing sense to an event in a field of sensorily indistinct phenomena by defining it as an event, a noun, a thing separate from the background. We have made a conscious choice to disregard all other chains of causality that might have led to the vase being broken, and chose to impose our will, our fault, our mark on a seamless field of reality. Sartre carries this further in Being and Nothingness when he eliminates about three hundred years of thought about the nature of reality by kicking out the necessity of reality-in-itself. Gödel chimes in with the idea that once a schema of formal logic reaches sufficient complexity, it must and cannot avoid being self-contradictory. Pretty bad news for Reality with a capitol "R", and I haven't even included the bizarre conclusions of physics about how parallel lines do actually meet, and random events have patterns.

So, if you'll indulge me to turn your position on it's head, it may very well be that all "knowledge" that we purport to have is nothing other than storytelling. Fantasy is a format that allows us to reach deeper meaning more efficiently by removing the noisiness of an intruding world-view (another fantasy, but a shared one), to allow us to get to the meaning that we "know" is true and real and in our hearts and minds, which may well be the only place "meaning" exists.
davidbcoe
Dec. 10th, 2008 11:28 pm (UTC)
Wow. You got all that from Uncle Cy and Spruce...?

Seriously, very interesting comment, Sizz. Way beyond what I'm capable of discussing in any intelligent way. I'm not sure I buy the whole "there's really no such thing as objective reality" notion implied in the writings you cite, but it certainly can make for interesting discussion. Thanks!
sizztheseed
Dec. 10th, 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
Too complicated, sorry. To sum up:

We have reached the point different sciences and philosophies where we realize that objective reality cannot be properly perceived by the human mind, so what we know as truth and reality are "in here" not "out there". Fantasy, rather than helping us escape reality, puts us in touch with what we as a species really perceive as real, which is what is in our hearts.

Better?
davidbcoe
Dec. 11th, 2008 12:25 am (UTC)
I thought your first comment was excellent, but this one sums it up very nicely.
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